My Quick Thoughts On Oil Falling To A Negative Price

With oil falling to a negative price, investors may be tempted to invest in oil & gas stocks such as Sembcorp Marine. But there are important risks to note.

I’m writing this article on the morning of 21 April 2020 (Tuesday) in Singapore. On the night of 20 April 2020, the price of oil fell to negative territory. I’m referring specifically to contracts for deliveries of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil in early May. 

Here are some quick thoughts I have on this development…

1. Scott Sagan, a professor of political science, once wrote that “things that have never happened before, happen all the time in history.” Last night was the first time ever that oil prices became negative. Historic and fascinating? Yes. Surprising? It shouldn’t be. Crazy things happen all the time in the world of finance.  

2. I hope investors are not lured to invest in oil & gas stocks simply because the price of oil is now so low. There are two important things to note: 

  • Predicting the future of oil prices is practically impossible. In 2007, Peter Davies gave a presentation titled What’s the Value of an Energy Economist? He said in the presentation that “we cannot forecast oil prices with any degree of accuracy over any period whether short or long.” Back then, Davies was the chief economist of British Petroleum (LSE: BP), one of the largest oil & gas companies in the world.
  • Oil & gas stocks need not follow the movement of oil prices. In mid-2014, oil prices started falling from around US$100 per barrel. WTI reached a low of US$26.61 in February 2016 before doubling to US$53.53 just 10 months later (on 21 December 2016). I tracked the share prices of a group of 50 oil & gas stocks in Singapore’s stock market and found that over the same period, 34 of them saw their share prices fall. The average decline for all the 50 companies was 11.9%.

3. Investing in an oil & gas stock also means the need to study its financials and – especially in today’s climate – its balance sheet. Even before the historic slump in oil prices on Monday night, there have already been oil & gas companies in the US effectively going bankrupt (see here and here). And speaking of financial trouble…

4. I fear for Singapore’s oil & gas giant Sembcorp Marine (SGX: S51). As of 31 December 2019, Sembcorp Marine, which builds oil rigs and other types of vessels, had S$389 million in cash but S$1.4 billion in short-term debt and S$3.0 billion in long-term debt. The company had S$2.9 billion in short-term liabilities but just S$2.5 billion in short-term assets. Of the short-term assets, only S$389 million is in cash; the bulk of it are in “contract assets” worth S$1.5 billion. Unfortunately, “contract assets” consist of recognised revenue for ongoing projects and don’t represent real cash until the projects are delivered. In crisis situations – and we are in a crisis situation – all liabilities become real and most assets except cash have to be heavily discounted. 

5. Given the rapid deterioration in global economic conditions since end-2019, it’s likely that Sembcorp Marine’s financial health has weakened significantly from an already poor condition from what I just described in Point Four. The good thing is that Sembcorp Marine’s majority shareholder is Sembcorp Industries (SGX: U96), which is controlled by Temasek Holdings, one of the Singapore government’s investment arms. So it’s likely that financial support for Sembcorp Marine will be strong, if push comes to shove. That said, financial support for Sembcorp Marine does not necessarily mean that its shareholders will end up fine on the other side of this crisis.

6. I’ve stopped having an interest in investing in oil & gas companies for many years because I know my limitations. Investing in oil & gas companies, in my opinion, requires skills that I don’t – and will never – have. I just hope that investors who are tempted to invest in oil & gas stocks because of the historical fall in oil prices on Monday night are fully aware of the risks involved and go in with their eyes wide open.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.   

This Is Berkshire Hathaway’s Simple But Unreplicable Competitive Advantage In The Insurance Industry

Berkshire Hathaway is the brainchild of Warren Buffett. He has a unique mindset that gives the company an unassailable edge in the insurance industry.

One of my heroes in the investment industry is Warren Buffett. His brainchild, Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A)(NYSE: BRK-B), is one of the 50-plus companies in my family’s investment portfolio. We’ve owned Berkshire shares since August 2011, and I shared my investment thesis on the company recently in The Good Investors.

In my Berkshire thesis, I discussed the fantastic track record of profitability that the company’s insurance subsidiaries have produced over the years. I shared that the track record is the result of Buffett’s unique mindset in managing the insurance subsidiaries:

“Next, Buffett also does not push for short-term gains at the expense of Berkshire’s long-term business health. A great example can be seen in Berkshire’s excellent track record in the insurance industry: Its property and casualty (P/C) insurance business has recorded an underwriting profit for 15 of the past 16 years through to 2018. In contrast, the P/C industry as a whole often operates at a significant underwriting loss; in the decade ended 2018, the industry suffered an underwriting loss in five separate years.”    

A missing piece

Years ago, I read a document from Buffett suggesting that Berkshire does not pay its insurance employees based on the policy-premiums they bring in. That’s because Buffett does not want to incentivise his insurance employees to chase unprofitable insurance deals when premiums across the industry do not make sense.

I wanted to include Buffet’s unique remuneration structure for his insurance employees in my Berkshire investment thesis. I thought it was a beautiful illustration of a simple but unreplicable competitive advantage that Berkshire has in the insurance industry. But when I was writing the thesis, I forgot where I came across the information and I could not find it after a long search. So I decided to leave it out.

Found again

As luck would have it, I finally found it again. All thanks goes to my friends Loh Wei and Stanley Lim! Stanley runs the excellent investment education website, Value Invest Asia. He recently interviewed Loh Wei, who talked about Berkshire and Buffett’s unique mindset for remunerating his insurance employees.

After watching the interview, I asked Loh Wei where he found the information and was guided toward the source that I came across years ago: Buffett’s 2004 Berkshire shareholders’ letter.

Wisdom from the Oracle of Omaha

Here’s what Buffett wrote (emphases are mine):

“What we’ve had going for us is a managerial mindset that most insurers find impossible to replicate. Take a look at the facing page. Can you imagine any public company embracing a business model that would lead to the decline in revenue that we experienced from 1986 through 1999? That colossal slide, it should be emphasized, did not occur because business was unobtainable. Many billions of premium dollars were readily available to NICO [National Indemnity Company] had we only been willing to cut prices. But we instead consistently priced to make a profit, not to match our most optimistic competitor. We never left customers – but they left us.

Most American businesses harbor an “institutional imperative” that rejects extended decreases in volume. What CEO wants to report to his shareholders that not only did business contract last year but that it will continue to drop? In insurance, the urge to keep writing business is also intensified because the consequences of foolishly-priced policies may not become apparent for some time. If an insurer is optimistic in its reserving, reported earnings will be overstated, and years may pass before true loss costs are revealed (a form of self-deception that nearly destroyed GEICO in the early 1970s).

Finally, there is a fear factor at work, in that a shrinking business usually leads to layoffs. To avoid pink slips, employees will rationalize inadequate pricing, telling themselves that poorly-priced business must be tolerated in order to keep the organization intact and the distribution system happy. If this course isn’t followed, these employees will argue, the company will not participate in the recovery that they invariably feel is just around the corner.

To combat employees’ natural tendency to save their own skins, we have always promised NICO’s workforce that no one will be fired because of declining volume, however severe the contraction. (This is not Donald Trump’s sort of place.) NICO is not labor-intensive, and, as the table suggests, can live with excess overhead. It can’t live, however, with underpriced business and the breakdown in underwriting discipline that accompanies it. An insurance organization that doesn’t care deeply about underwriting at a profit this year is unlikely to care next year either.

Naturally, a business that follows a no-layoff policy must be especially careful to avoid overstaffing when times are good. Thirty years ago Tom Murphy, then CEO of Cap Cities, drove this point home to me with a hypothetical tale about an employee who asked his boss for permission to hire an assistant. The employee assumed that adding $20,000 to the annual payroll would be inconsequential. But his boss told him the proposal should be evaluated as a $3 million decision, given that an additional person would probably cost at least that amount over his lifetime, factoring in raises, benefits and other expenses (more people, more toilet paper). And unless the company fell on very hard times, the employee added would be unlikely to be dismissed, however marginal his contribution to the business.

It takes real fortitude – embedded deep within a company’s culture – to operate as NICO does. Anyone examining the table can scan the years from 1986 to 1999 quickly. But living day after day with dwindling volume – while competitors are boasting of growth and reaping Wall Street’s applause – is an experience few managers can tolerate. NICO, however, has had four CEOs since its formation in 1940 and none have bent. (It should be noted that only one of the four graduated from college. Our experience tells us that extraordinary business ability is largely innate.)

The current managerial star – make that superstar – at NICO is Don Wurster (yes, he’s “the graduate”), who has been running things since 1989. His slugging percentage is right up there with Barry Bonds’ because, like Barry, Don will accept a walk rather than swing at a bad pitch. Don has now amassed $950 million of float at NICO that over time is almost certain to be proved the negative-cost kind. Because insurance prices are falling, Don’s volume will soon decline very significantly and, as it does, Charlie and I will applaud him ever more loudly.” 

In the quotes above, Buffett referenced a table of financials for NICO. The table is shown below. Note the red box, which highlights the massive decline in NICO’s revenue (written premium) from 1986 to 1999. 

Source: Berkshire Hathaway 2004 shareholders’ letter

Can you do it?

What we’ve had going for us is a managerial mindset that most insurers find impossible to replicate.” This is the simple but unreplicable competitive advantage that Buffett and Berkshire has in the insurance industry. It is simple. You just have to be willing to tolerate a huge decline in business volume – potentially for a long time – if the pricing for business does not make sense. But it is unreplicable because it goes directly against our natural human tendency to be greedy for more. 

If we spot similar simple but unreplicable competitive advantages in companies, it could lead us to fantastic long-term investment opportunities. Jeff Bezos, the founder and CEO of Amazon.com (NASDAQ: AMZN), shared the following in his 2003 Amazon shareholders’ letter (emphasis is mine):

“Another example is our Instant Order Update feature, which reminds you that you’ve already bought a particular item. Customers lead busy lives and cannot always remember if they’ve already purchased a particular item, say a DVD or CD they bought a year earlier.

When we launched Instant Order Update, we were able to measure with statistical significance that the feature slightly reduced sales. Good for customers? Definitely. Good for shareowners? Yes, in the long run.”

Bezos was able to cut through short-term greediness and focus on long-term value. I also shared Bezos’s quote above in my recent investment thesis for Amazon. My family’s investment portfolio has owned Amazon shares for a few years. Here’s a chart showing much a $10,000 investment in Amazon shares would have grown to since the company’s 1997 listing:

Competitive advantages need not be complex. They can be simple. And sometimes the really simple ones end up being the hardest, or impossible, to copy. And that’s a beautiful thing for long-term investors.

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Why It’s So Difficult To Short Stocks

We run the risk of losing more than we can afford when we’re shorting stocks. So going short in the stock market can be far riskier than going long.

Shorting is the act of investing in stocks in a way that allows you to profit when stock prices fall. It is the opposite of going long, which is investing in a way that allows you to profit when stock prices rise. 

I’ve been investing for nearly a decade now and have done fairly well. But I’ve never shorted stocks. That’s because I recognise that shorting requires different skills from going long. In the financial markets, I only want to do things that I’m sure I know well. In this article, I want to share two real-life examples on why it’s so difficult to short stocks.

My investment club

The first example starts with an informal investment club I belong to named Kairos Research. It was founded by Stanley Lim, Cheong Mun Hong, and Willie Keng. They are also the founders of the excellent Asia-focused investment education website, Value Invest Asia

I’ve been a part of Kairos for many years and have benefited greatly. I’ve made life-long friends and met countless thoughtful, kind, humble, and whip-smart people who have a deep passion for investing and knowledge. Being in Kairos Research greatly accelerated my learning curve as both an investor and human being.

To join the club and remain in it requires a membership “fee” of just one stock market investment idea per year. It’s a price I’ve gladly paid for many years and I will continue to do so in the years ahead. 

Riding all the way up

In one of our gatherings in June 2019, a well-respected member and deeply accomplished investor in the club gave a presentation on Luckin Coffee (NASDAQ: LK). 

Luckin is a company that runs coffee stores in China. Its stores mainly cater for to-go orders and the company was expanding its store count at a blistering pace. Within a year or so from its founding near the end of 2017, it already had more than 2,000 stores in China. Luckin is considered a formidable competitor to US-based Starbucks in China; Starbucks counts the Middle Kingdom as its largest international growth market. 

At the time of my club mate’s presentation, Luckin’s share price was around US$20, roughly the same level from the close of its IPO in May 2019. He sold his Luckin shares in January 2020, around the time when Luckin’s share price peaked at US$50. Today, Luckin’s share price is around US$4. The coffee chain’s share price tanked by 76% from US$26 in one day on 2 April 2020 and continued falling before stock exchange operator NASDAQ ordered a trading halt for Luckin shares. 

Not the first time…

In January 2020, Muddy Waters Research said that it believes Luckin is a fraud. Muddy Waters Research is an investment research firm. Luckin denied the accusations and its share price only had a relatively minor reaction. There was a gradual slide that occurred in Luckin’s share price since then, but it happened with the backdrop of stock markets around the world falling because of fears related to the COVID-19 pandemic. 

The wheels came off the bus only on 2 April 2020. On that day, Luckin announced that the company’s board of directors is conducting an internal investigation. There are fraudulent transactions – occurring from the second quarter of 2019 to the fourth quarter of 2019 – that are believed to amount to RMB 2.2 billion (around US$300 million). For perspective, Luckin’s reported revenue for the 12 months ended 30 September 2019 was US$470 million, according to Ycharts. The exact extent of the fraudulent transactions has yet to be finalised. 

Luckin also said that investors can no longer rely on its previous financial statements for the nine months ended 30 September 2019. The company’s chief operating officer, Liu Jian, was named as the primary culprit for the misconduct. He has been suspended from his role. 

Given the announcement, there could potentially be other misdeeds happening at Luckin. After all, Warren Buffett once said that “What you find is there’s never just one cockroach in the kitchen when you start looking around.”

It’s tough being short

Here’s a chart showing Luckin’s share price from its listing to 2 April 2020:

The first serious allegations of Luckin committing fraud appeared only in January 2020, thanks to Muddy Waters Research. But it turns out that fraudulent transactions at Luckin could have happened as early as April 2019. From 1 April 2019 to 31 January 2020, Luckin’s share price actually increased by 59%. At one point, it was even up by nearly 150%.

If you had shorted Luckin’s shares back in April 2019, you would have faced a massive loss – more than what you had put in – even if you had been right on Luckin committing fraud. This shows how tough it is to short stocks. Not only must your analysis on the fundamentals of the business be right, but your timing must also be right because you could easily lose more than you have if you’re shorting. 

Going long though is much less worrisome. If you’re not using leverage, poor timing is not an issue because you can easily ride out any short-term decline.

Even the legend fails

The other example I want to highlight in this article is one of the most fascinating pieces of information on shorting stocks that I’ve ever come across. It involves Jim Chanos, who has a stellar reputation as a short seller. A September 2018 article from finance publication Institutional Investor mentioned this about Chanos:

“Chanos, of course, is already a legend. He will go down in Wall Street history for predicting the demise of Enron Corp., whose collapse resulted in a wave of prosecutions and the imprisonment of top executives — the kind of harsh penalties that have not been seen since.”

The same Institutional Investor article also had the following paragraphs (emphasis is mine): 

The secret to Chanos’s longevity as a short-seller is Kynikos’s flagship fund, the vehicle where Kynikos partners invest, which was launched alongside Ursus in 1985. Kynikos Capital Partners is 190 percent long and 90 percent short, making it net long. Unlike most long/short hedge funds, however, the longs are primarily passive, using such instruments as exchange-traded funds, as the intellectual effort goes into the short side.

Chanos argues that by protecting the downside with his shorts, an investor can actually double his risk — and over time that has proved a winning strategy.
Through the end of 2017, Kynikos Capital Partners has a net annualized gain of 28.6 percent since launch in October 1985, more than double the S&P 500. That has happened even though the short book — as represented by Ursus — has lost 0.7 percent annually during the same time frame, according to a recent Kynikos document Institutional Investor has obtained.”

It turns out that Chanos’s main fund that shorts stocks – Ursus – had lost 0.7% annually from October 1985 to end-2017! That’s Jim Chanos, a legendary short-seller, losing money shorting stocks over a 32-year period! 

My conclusion  

Stocks with weak balance sheets, inability to generate free cash flow, and businesses in rapidly declining industries are likely to falter over the long run. But it’s far easier to identify such stocks and simply avoid them than it is to short them. 

Besides, the math doesn’t work in my favour. The most I can make going short is 100% while my potential loss is unlimited. On the flipside, the gain I can earn going long is theoretically unlimited, while my potential loss is capped at what I’ve invested.

When we go short, we run the risk of losing more than we can afford – that’s true even for fraud cases. As a result, I’ve always invested with the mentality that going short in the stock market is far riskier than going long.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

How to Invest During This COVID-19 Period

Markets are volatile and earnings are likely to sink. Nobody knows when the economy will return to normal. How can we approach investing during COVID-19?

“Fear incites human action far more urgently than does the impressive weight of historical evidence.”

Jeremy Siegel, Stocks for the Long Run

The COVID-19 pandemic has thrown markets into a frenzy. The month of March was likely the most volatile period in stock market history. Traders were zig-zagging in and out of the markets, causing daily swings of up to 10% in the S&P 500. 

COVID-19 is indeed a black swan event. No one really knows what will happen and how the market will pan out in the short-term. With so much uncertainty, what should long-term investors do now?

Focus on things that you can predict

There are many things we can’t predict in the stock market. But investing is not about accurately predicting everything that will affect stock prices. Instead, it’s about focusing on stuff that you can predict. It’s about investing in companies that are likely to succeed in the long-term.

Terry Smith is the founder of Fundsmith, the manager of the UK’s largest fund, Fundsmith Equity Fund. Here’s what Smith wrote in a recent letter to his investors:

“What will emerge from the current apocalyptic state? How many of us will become sick or worse? When will we be allowed out again? Will we travel as much as we have in the past? Will the extreme measures taken by governments to maintain the economy lead to inflation? I haven’t a clue. Rather like some of the companies we most admire, I try to spend very little time considering matters which I can neither predict nor control and focus instead on those which I can affect.”

Don’t forget that the stock market is the best place to invest for the long term

In times such as this, it is easy to forget that the stock market is actually the best place to invest your money for long-term returns.

According to data from NYU finance professor Aswath Damodaran, US stocks have outperformed bonds and cash by a wide margin over the long run. From 1928 to 2019, US stocks produced an annual return of 9.7%, while bonds (10-year treasuries) had a 4.9% return per year.

In a recent video, Motley Fool co-founder David Gardner shared:

“From day one, when we started the Motley Fool 27 years ago, we said three things. Number one, the stock market is the best place to be for your long-term money. Number two, the stock market tends to rise 9 to 10% a year. That includes every bad week, quarter, month, year, bear market… and number three, make sure that you are invested in a way that you can sleep well at night.”

Don’t try to time the bottom

One of the most-asked questions among investors today is “Have we reached the bottom?”

I think that nobody really knows the answer to that. But it should not stop us from investing.

If you insist on only buying at the trough, you might miss a few good opportunities. In fact, I’ve heard of stories of investors who planned to enter the market at the bottom but missed out when their preferred-bottom never came. As stocks rose and got more expensive, they couldn’t bring themselves to buy and missed out on years of gains.

Billionaire investor Howard Marks mentioned in his latest memo:

“The old saying goes, “The perfect is the enemy of the good.”  Likewise, waiting for the bottom can keep investors from making good purchases.  The investor’s goal should be to make a large number of good buys, not just a few perfect ones.”

But remember to pick the right stocks

If you intend to invest in individual companies rather than an index-tracking fund, then it is important to remember that not all companies are created equal.

The well-followed S&P 500 index in the US has risen steadily over the long-term but a lot of its return can be attributed to only a handful of outperforming companies.

In fact, my blogging partner Ser Jing reported an interesting statistic in an earlier article. He wrote:

“ A 2014 study by JP Morgan showed that 40% of all stocks that were part of the Russell 3000 index in the US since 1980 produced negative returns across their entire lifetime.”

That’s an astounding statistic and goes to show that simply investing in any random stock will not guarantee you positive returns, even if you hold for the long run.

Picking the right companies is as important as choosing the right asset class to invest in. It is perhaps even more important for times such as today, where poorly-managed companies with weak balance sheets are fighting for their survival. As Warren Buffett once said, “Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked.”

Stay calm and keep investing…

It is an understatement that markets are volatile. We are also likely going to see sharp drops in earnings from many companies in the next few quarters. Already Starbucks has guided for a 46% fall in earnings for the first quarter of 2020 and I expect to see many more companies reporting similar if not worse figures than this.

However, over the long-term, I expect earnings for well-run companies to return and for life to eventually return to normal. 

Instead of focusing on the next few quarter results, I am keeping my eye on long-term results and which companies can survive the current economic standstill.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

Why Don’t Stocks Fall as Fast as Earnings?

Company earnings in the US are expected to fall drastically. Shouldn’t the S&P 500’s price go much lower then? Not if earnings normalise in the future.

Some investors may be wondering why stocks have not fallen more. The S&P 500 in the US has rebounded sharply in recent days and is now down by just 15% year-to-date.

Yet US companies are expected to see their earnings decline much more than 15% in the next few quarters. This will make their price-to-earnings ratios seem disproportionately higher than they were last year.

So why is there this gap between stock prices and earnings?

Discounted cash flow

The answer is that stock prices are not a reflection of a single year of earnings. Instead, it is the accumulation of the future free cash flow or earnings that a company will produce over its entire lifetime discounted back to today.

This economic concept is known as the discounted cash flow model. Investor Ben Carlson wrote a brilliant article on this recently.

For example, let’s assume Company ABC is expected to earn $10 per share per year for the next 10 years. After discounting future cash flows back to the present day, at an 8% discount rate, the company’s shares are worth $67.10.

But let’s assume that because of the COVID-19 crisis, ABC’s earnings in the first year is wiped out. But it still can generate $10 a year in the remaining nine years after that. Using the discounted cash flow model, ABC’s shares are still worth $57.84

Despite a 100% decline in earnings in the coming year, ABC’s share price is worth just 14% less.

Other bad case scenarios

There are worse scenarios that can play out, but as long as a company’s long term future cash flow or earnings remains somewhat stable, its share price should not fall as much as its near-term earnings.

For instance, let’s assume that instead of earning $10 per share in the coming year, Company ABC now makes a loss of $10 per share. But in year 2 onwards, business returns to normal and it can generate its usual $10 per share for the next nine years. In this case, Company ABC’s shares are now worth $48.58, or 28% less than before.

Let’s make the situation worse. Let’s assume Company ABC has a $10 per share loss in year 1 and has zero cash flow in year 2. Let’s also assume that business only returns to normal in year 3. Its shares, in this case, are still worth $40.01, a 40% decline.

History shows that stocks fall less than earnings

This is the reason why stocks tend to fall far less than short-term earnings declines. We can look at the Great Financial Crisis as a reference. 

According to data from Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Shiller, the S&P 500’s earnings per share fell 77.5% from $81.51 in 2007 to $18.31 in 2008.

But the price fell much less. The S&P 500 closed at 1520.71 in July 2007 and reached a low of 757.13 in March of 2009. That translated to a 50% decline in stock prices.

Simply put, a 77.5% decline in earnings translated to ‘only’ a 50% decline in stock price. 

Not only did the S&P 500’s price fall much less than earnings, but the subsequent years have also shown that stocks may have fallen too low. Investors who bought in at the troughs of 2009 enjoyed better-than-normal returns over the next 10-plus years.

Assuming stock prices fall in tandem with one-year forward earnings is short-sighted and does not take into account all the future cash flows of a company.

Last words on the price-to-earnings ratio

I guess the takeaway for this post is that you should not be scared off stocks by the high price-to-earnings ratio of companies that will likely appear in the coming months (a high price-to-earnings ratio because of a large decline in earnings but less drastic fall in share price).  

The fall in earnings, if only temporary, should logically only cause a small decline in the value of the company, especially if it can continue to make profits consistently over the extended future.

It is natural that the PE ratio will be high if a company’s earnings disappear in the coming year. But the disappearance of the earnings could be temporary. When COVID-19 blows over, some companies – not all – will see business resume.

For now, the PE ratio is a useless metric as earnings are battered down temporarily, making the figure appear disproportionately high. We should instead focus on normalised earnings and whether a company can continue to generate free cash flow in the future.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

Why You Should Never Follow Famous Investors Blindly

Blindly following famous investors is incredibly dangerous. “I’m buying because Warren Buffett is buying” is not a valid investment thesis.

Financial markets all over the world have been in a state of turmoil in recent weeks because of the COVID-19 crisis. In uncertain times like these, you may look up to famous investors to emulate their actions. That’s understandable. After all, following authoritative figures can provide a sense of security.

But I’m here to tell you that following famous investors blindly is incredibly dangerous. 

Blind faith

A few weeks ago, I recorded a video chat with Reshveen Rajendran. During our conversation, Resh shared the story of his friend’s investment in Occidental Petroleum (NYSE: OXY), an oil & gas company. Resh’s friend had invested in Occidental’s shares at around US$40 each, only to see the share price fall sharply. At the time of recording, Occidental’s share price was around US$16 (it is around US$14 now). Resh’s friend did not know what to do with his/her Occidental investment.

After we finished recording, I had a further discussion with Resh. I thought there could be a really good educational element in the story of his friend’s investment in Occidental.

I found out that the friend’s investment thesis for Occidental was to simply follow Warren Buffett. But here’s the thing: Buffett’s investment in Occidental is radically different from what we as individual investors can participate in.

Buffett’s bet

In August 2019, Buffett invested in Occidental through his investment conglomerate, Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A)(NYSE: BRK-B). What Buffett bought was US$10 billion worth of preferred shares in Occidental. He wanted to provide Occidental with capital to finance its planned US$38 billion acquisition of Anadarko Petroleum Corporation, a peer in the oil & gas industry.

Occidental’s preferred shares that Buffett invested in are not publicly-traded. So individual investors like you and I can’t invest in them. The preferred shares come with an 8% annual dividend that Occidental is obliged to pay until they are redeemed; the dividend means that Occidental has to pay Berkshire US$800 million every year (8% of Berkshire’s US$10 billion investment) in perpetuity or until redemption of the preferred shares happen. Occidental has the option to redeem the preferred shares at US$10.5 billion any time after August 2029. In other words, Berkshire is guaranteed to make a return of at least 8% per year from its Occidental preferred shares as long as the oil & gas company does not go bust. 

Investing in Occidental’s preferred shares the way that Buffett did is very different from buying Occidental shares in the stock market. The normal Occidental shares we can purchase (technically known as common shares or ordinary shares) don’t come with any dividend-guarantees. Occidental is also not obliged to redeem our shares at a small premium to what we paid. If we buy Occidental shares, how well our investment will do over a multi-year period will depend solely on the business performance of the company. Buffett’s investment in the preferred shares comes with protection that we can’t get with the ordinary shares.

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To the point about protection, consider the following. In March 2020, Occidental slashed the quarterly dividend on its ordinary shares by 86% – from US$0.79 per share to just US$0.11 per share – to save around US$2.2 billion in cash. That was the company’s first dividend reduction in 30 years. Occidental needed to take extreme measures to protect its financial health in the face of a sharp decline in oil prices. Meanwhile, there’s nothing Occidental can do about the 8% dividend on Buffett’s US$10 billion preferred shares investment – Occidental has to continue paying the preferred dividends. To add salt to the wound, Occidental’s US$0.11 per share in quarterly dividend works out to just US$392 million per year, which is less than half of the US$800 million that Buffett’s preferred shares are getting in dividends annually. 

Yes, Buffett did buy some ordinary Occidental shares after his August 2019 investment in the oil & gas company’s preferred shares. But the total invested sum in the ordinary shares is tiny (around US$780 million at the end of 2019, or an average share price of US$41.21) compared to his investment in the preferred shares. 

We can end up in disaster if we follow Buffett blindly into an investment without understanding his idea’s key traits. Buffett’s reputation and Berkshire’s actual financial clout gives him access to deals that we will never have. 

Following authority into disaster

Resh’s story about his friend’s investment in Occidental shares reminded me of something that Morgan Housel once shared. Housel is currently a partner with the venture capital firm Collaborative Fund. Prior to this, he was a writer for The Motley Fool for many years. Here’s what Housel wrote in a 2014 article for the Fool:

“I made my worst investment seven years ago.

The housing market was crumbling, and a smart value investor I idolized began purchasing shares in a small, battered specialty lender. I didn’t know anything about the company, but I followed him anyway, buying shares myself. It became my largest holding — which was unfortunate when the company went bankrupt less than a year later.

Only later did I learn the full story. As part of his investment, the guru I followed also controlled a large portion of the company’s debt and and preferred stock, purchased at special terms that effectively gave him control over its assets when it went out of business. The company’s stock also made up one-fifth the weighting in his portfolio as it did in mine. I lost everything. He made a decent investment.”

Housel also committed the mistake of blindly following a famous investor without fully understanding the real rationale behind the investor’s investments.

In conclusion

It’s understandable if you want to follow the ideas of famous investors. That’s especially so during uncertain times, like the situation we’re in today. But before you do, please note that a blind adherence can be dangerous. Famous investors can invest in financial instruments in the same company that we can’t get access to. Or, their investment motives may be completely different to ours even for the same shares.

It’s always important to know why we’re investing in something. “I’m buying because Buffett or [insert name of famous investor] is buying” is not a valid investment thesis. 

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

Are You Observing Economic Conditions When Buying Stocks? Here’s Important Data For You

It may not make sense to depend on broad economic conditions to tell you when to invest in stocks. Really good stocks find a bottom way before the economy.

This is a short article about important data you have to note if you’re reading broad economic conditions as a gauge for when to buy stocks. It was inspired by a recent question from a friend:

“While I understand that it’s impossible to time the market precisely, doesn’t it make sense to sell stocks and keep cash when you are fairly certain of a sustained economic decline (e.g. Covid)?”

During the 08/09 Great Financial Crisis, the S&P 500 in the US bottomed in early-March 2009. But interestingly, many stocks actually bottomed months before that, in November 2008. In The Good Investors, I have shared my investment theses for a number of US-listed companies in my family’s investment portfolio. Some of these companies were listed back in November 2008, and they include Netflix, Berkshire Hathaway, Amazon, Intuitive Surgical, MercadoLibre, Booking Holdings, and Mastercard.

The chart immediately below shows the share price changes from January 2008 to December 2009 for the individual stocks mentioned and the S&P 500. Notice the two red bubbles showing the time when most of the individual stocks bottomed (the one on the left) versus when the S&P 500 bottomed (the one on the right).

The individual stocks I talked about – Netflix, Berkshire, Amazon, Intuitive Surgical, MercadoLibre, Booking, and Mastercard – are companies that I think have really strong business fundamentals. They wouldn’t be in my family’s portfolio, otherwise! 

Now, let’s look at another chart, this time showing the US’s economic numbers from 1 January 2008 to 31 December 2010. The economic numbers are the country’s unemployment rate and GDP (gross domestic product). Notice the red bubble: It corresponds to November 2008, the time when most of the aforementioned stocks with strong business fundamentals bottomed. Turns out, the US’s GDP and unemployment rate continued to deteriorate for months after the individual stocks bottomed.

The observations I just shared have never been widely discussed, based on my anecdotal experience. But they highlight something crucial: It turns out that individual stocks – especially the companies with strong fundamentals (this is subjective, I know!) – can find a bottom significantly faster than economic conditions and the broader market do. 

The highlighted thing is crucial for all of us to note, in today’s investing environment. Over the next few months – and maybe even over the next year – It’s very, very likely that the economic data that are going to be released by countries around the world will look horrendous. But individual stocks could potentially reach a bottom way before the deterioration of economic conditions stops. If you miss that, it could hurt your portfolio’s long run return since you would miss a significant chunk of the rebound if you came in late.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

3 Lessons From My Biggest Stock Market Losers

Here are 3 lessons I’ve picked up from my biggest investing mistakes, so that you can benefit from my experience without going through the same pain.

It’s great to learn from our own mistakes. But it’s even better to learn from those of others. COVID-19 has brought extreme market volatility and economic distress to the world. In a time like this, it’s easier for us to make investment mistakes.

I’m here to share the eggs I’ve had on my face in the stock market and what I’ve learnt from them, so that you can benefit from my errors. 

The backdrop

I started investing for my immediate family on 26 October 2010. The portfolio I help manage consists of stocks listed in the US market. There are currently over 50 stocks in it.

Some of the biggest losers in the portfolio include Atwood Oceanics, Ford (NYSE: F), Gilead Sciences (NASDAQ: GILD), GoPro (NASDAQ: GPRO), National Oilwell Varco (NYSE: NOV), Tapestry (NYSE: TPR), Under Armour (NYSE: UAA), and Zoe’s Kitchen.

Source: Yahoo Finance for current prices

Atwood Oceanics and Zoe’s Kitchen were privatised in October 2017 and November 2018, respectively, and I sold their shares on September 2016 and November 2018. I sold National Oilwell Varco in June 2017. I still own the other stocks mentioned.

Lesson 1: It’s okay to fail if you have the right investment framework 

My family’s investment portfolio has clearly had many epic losers. But from 26 October 2010 (the inception of the portfolio) to 29 March 2020, the portfolio has still grown in value by 16.0% annually, without including dividends. This is significantly higher than the S&P 500’s return of 10.7% per year over the same period, with dividends.

Source: S&P Global Market Intelligence; Google Finance; author’s calculations (from 26 October 2010 to 29 March 2020)

It’s okay to have multiple failures in your portfolio. There’s an investment framework that I’ve been using for my family’s portfolio for years. It has guided me towards massive winners, such as Netflix (NASDAQ: NFLX), Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN), and MercadoLibre (NASDAQ: MELI). The winners in the portfolio have more than made up for the losers.

If you’re investing with a sound investment framework, then don’t beat yourself up too hard if some of your stocks are down big. Look at your performance from a portfolio-perspective, and not harp on how each position is doing.

Lesson 2: Diversify smartly, and stay away from commodity-related companies

Atwood Oceanics and National Oilwell Varco are companies in the oil & gas industry. When I invested in them, Atwood was an owner of oil rigs while National Oilwell Varco was supplying the parts and equipment that kept oil rigs running.

They were among my first-ever investments, back when I was a greenhorn in the stock market. I invested in them because I wanted to be diversified according to sectors. I also thought that oil & gas was a sector that is worth investing in since demand for the commodities would likely remain strong for a long time. My views were right, but only to a small extent. I was wrong on two important areas.

First, it is important to be diversified according to sectors (and geography too!). But there are some sectors that are just not worth investing in for the long run because their economic characteristics are poor. For instance, the energy, materials, and transport sectors have historically produced poor returns on invested capital. This is illustrated in the chart below from a 2006 McKinsey report which mapped out the average return on invested capital for various sectors from 1963 to 2004. Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett’s long-time lieutenant, once said:

“Over the long term, it’s hard for a stock to earn a much better return that the business which underlies it earns. If the business earns six percent on capital over forty years and you hold it for that forty years, you’re not going to make much different than a six percent return – even if you originally buy it at a huge discount.”

Source: McKinsey report

Second, demand for oil did indeed grow from 2010 to 2016. But oil prices fell significantly over the same period. The trends in oil consumption and oil prices for that period are depicted in the chart below.

The sharp fall in oil prices despite the rising demand illustrates the difficulty in predicting oil prices. In fact, it’s practically impossible. I recently learnt about a presentation that Peter Davies gave in 2007 titled What’s the Value of an Energy Economist? In it, he said that “we cannot forecast oil prices with any degree of accuracy over any period whether short or long.” Back then, Davies was the chief economist of British Petroleum, one of the largest oil & gas companies in the world.

With lower oil prices, the business results and share prices of Atwood Oceanics and National Oilwell Varco plummeted. The chart below shows National Oilwell Varco’s share price and earnings per share from 2010 to 2016 (data for Atwood Oceanics is not available since it’s now a private company). I think the predicament of Atwood Oceanics and National Oilwell Varco can be extrapolated to other commodity-related companies. It’s tough to predict the price movements of commodities; this in turn makes it difficult to have a good grasp on the business results of a commodity-related company over a multi-year period.

Lesson 3: Not selling the losers is as important as not selling the winners

You’ll notice that my family’s portfolio is still holding onto many of the big losers. The sales of Atwood Oceanics and National Oilwell Varco happened because of something that Motley Fool co-founder David Gardner shared a few years ago:

“Make your portfolio reflect your best vision for our future.”

Part of the vision I have for the world is that our energy-needs are entirely provided by renewable sources that do not harm the precious environment we live in. For this reason, I made the rare decision to voluntarily part ways with stocks in my family’s portfolio (referring to Atwood Oceanics and National Oilwell Varco).

I sell stocks very rarely and very slowly. This aversion to selling is by design – because it strengthens my discipline in holding onto the winners in my family’s portfolio. Many investors tend to cut their winners and hold onto their losers. Even in my earliest days as an investor, I recognised the importance of holding onto the winners in driving my family portfolio’s return. Being very slow to sell stocks – even the big losers – has helped me hone the discipline of holding onto the winners. And this discipline has been a very important contributor to the long run performance of my family’s portfolio.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

Government Bailouts and What They Mean For Shareholders

US airlines are getting a massive US$60 billion bailout. Here’s a look at bailouts in the past and how shareholders have been impacted.

US airlines finally got something to cheer about.

Earlier this week, US senate leaders came to an agreement on a US$2 trillion stimulus bill. A whopping US$60 billion of that will be used to bail out struggling US airlines.

Airlines, in return, must forgo layoffs until the fall (sometime in the fourth quarter of 2020), accept limits on executive compensation and dividends, and maintain certain routes. Despite the limitations, I think this is a deal the airlines will happily take to save themselves from bankruptcy.

Bailouts are nothing new though. The US has a long history of bailing out companies that were deemed too important to fail. These companies either provided essential services, accounted for a decent chunk of the economy, or employed a large number of people.

But bailouts take different shapes and forms. The ways that the government injects cash into companies (or individuals), the kind of industries the government tries to save, and the impact on shareholders differ every time.

In light of the latest bailout, I decided to take a short trip down memory lane to see the different kinds of bailouts that have occurred.

The Great Depression

One of the greatest economic catastrophes of modern history occurred from 1929 to the early 1940s. It was the longest, deepest, and most widespread depression of the 20th century.

In 1933 US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt took the oath of office and started implementing solutions to bring the economy out of the recession. 

One of the things he did was to bail out struggling homeowners. At that time, the national unemployment rate was around 25%, so many Americans who lost their jobs were unable to pay off their home mortgages and were left homeless. 

The Home Owners’ Loan Corporation was set up to solve the problem. The newly formed government agency purchased defaulted mortgages from banks and refinanced them at lower rates, allowing about a million homeowners to benefit from lower mortgage rates.

This bailout was targetted at individuals at that time and kept people off the street. However, it was not until World War II ended that the depression was officially over and the post-war boom began.

The Great Financial Crisis

The next most important economic crisis occurred much more recently in 2007-2008. Known as the Great Financial Crisis, the collapse of Lehman Brothers amid the bursting of the housing bubble culminated in a global financial crisis.

However, this time, the US government’s response was swifter and the bailouts introduced saved banks, restored confidence, allowed banks to lend again, and eventually led to the 12-year bull market that ended this year.

So what did the US government do in 2008? The Emergency Economic Stabilisation Act of 2008, often called the “bank bailout,” was signed into law by then-President George W. Bush. The new law led to the creation of the US$700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to inject capital into banks. But these funds were not given as grants, rather they were used to purchase toxic assets from the banks.

A key part of the US federal government’s plan was to buy up to US$700 billion of illiquid mortgage-backed securities. These were essentially a bundle of home loans packed into one.

On top of that, the US government injected cash into banks through the purchase of preferred stock. Citibank needed a particularly big injection of capital, with the government purchasing US$45 billion in preferred and common Citigroup stock. Selling stock when your share price is down 80% is never going to be pretty and Citigroup shareholders learnt that the hard way as they were diluted almost six-fold. Till today, Citigroup’s share price is still more than 80% off the high it reached in 2007. However, what the bailout achieved was to save Citigroup from insolvency and shareholders could at least survive to fight another day.

Overall, TARP improved the balance sheet and reduced the potential losses of banks and financial institutions.

The net effect for the government was also positive as it was reported that TARP recovered US$441.7 billion of US$426.4 billion invested, earning a US$15.3 billion profit when everything was done and dusted.

COVID-19 Crisis

Fast forward to today and we are once again seeing a massive bailout, this time with the aviation industry.

As mentioned earlier, struggling US airlines are getting an early Christmas present this year, to the tune of US$60 billion.

According to a draft of the legislation, airlines will receive up to US$25 billion in direct grants. That’s practically free money for the airlines as long as they promise not to layoff workers till the fourth quarter of 2020, accept limits on executive compensation and shareholder dividends.

Additionally, the bill also grants US$25 billion in loans and loan guarantees for passenger airlines and US$4 billion for cargo air carriers. The promise of loans will help struggling airlines raise much needed new capital even if the banks won’t lend to them.

The news is, of course, great for shareholders and employees. Employees get to keep their jobs while shareholders don’t have to worry about potential bankruptcies. The injection of cash will tide airlines through this challenging period. Airline shares have been creeping up since rumours of a bailout began.

The Good Investors’ conclusion

Bailouts may seem like a bad word but they are great for shareholders. The injection of cash into a company can tide them through when all hope seemed to be lost.

However, bailouts also bring to light that the company was not managing its finances well enough. Overleverage, bad investments, and in the case of Airlines, overspending on share buybacks destroyed their balance sheets to the brink of collapse.

Although bailouts can eventually save the day, they are one-off special situations and investors should never rely on them to get them out of trouble.

Disclaimer: The Good Investors is the personal investing blog of two simple guys who are passionate about educating Singaporeans about stock market investing. By using this Site, you specifically agree that none of the information provided constitutes financial, investment, or other professional advice. It is only intended to provide education. Speak with a professional before making important decisions about your money, your professional life, or even your personal life.

Endowus’s Fight To Give A Better Retirement For Singaporeans

We recently spoke to Singapore-based roboadvisor Endowus and learnt about its desire to solve Singapore’s retirement problem and so much more.

On 13 March 2020, Jeremy and I met Samuel Rhee and Chiam Sheng Shi from Endowus for a long, lovely chat. Sam is Endowus’s Chief Investment Officer, while Sheng Shi is the company’s Personal Finance Lead.

(From left to right in the photo above: Jeremy, myself, Sam, and Sheng Shi)

Endowus is one of the roboadvisors participating in Singapore’s burgeoning fintech landscape. I first came across Endowus about a year ago and was interested to learn more. That’s because the roboadvisor was (and still is) partnering Dimensional Fund Advisors, a fund management company I have long admired for its investing discipline and overall conduct.

Sheng Shi came across The Good Investors recently and reached out to Jeremy and I to find out more. This led to the in-person meeting on 13 March 2020.

Jeremy, Sam, Sheng Shi, and I covered a lot of ground during our conversation. We talked about Endowus’s founding, its investment philosophy, the company’s strong desire to solve the retirement problem for Singaporean investors, the obstacles it had to overcome to build low-cost investment solutions for investors, and more.

I came away from the meeting impressed by Endowus’s team as well as their passion and actions to help investors in Singapore. Jeremy did too. We are all fighting the same good fight. Below is a transcript of our conversation (edited for length and clarity). This is NOT a sponsored post by Endowus. Jeremy and I hope you will enjoy Sam and Sheng Shi’s wisdom and candid sharing as much as we did.


Introduction of Sam and Endowus

Ser Jing:
Could you please give an introduction about yourself?

Samuel:
Okay. I’m Sam. I’ve been working 25 years in the finance industry on the institutional side. I was at Morgan Stanley for 17 years. And the last job I had was at Morgan Stanley Investment Management Asia where I was CEO and CIO and I was there for 13 years. I worked in London and then Hong Kong for about seven years and I’ve now been in Singapore for 15+ years. When I was on the buyside, I did macro, asset allocation, portfolio construction in public equities and mostly Asia and emerging markets. I became the Chief Investment Officer and ran the money in Singapore. Singapore is the headquarters so we ran about 45 billion total. The portfolio that I personally managed was about US$10 billion to US$15 billion, depending on how markets were and I became the CEO for the last four years I was there.

I am the Chief Investment Officer in Endowus. We have this fancy title called Chairman that was bestowed upon me that I don’t really use but it’s there just because I’m the oldest by far.

Ser Jing:
You look really young actually.

Samuel:
Yeah, I’m turning 48. So the next youngest guy is 11 years younger than me in the office.

Ser Jing: You look 40, at most!

Samuel:
I have a babyface (laughs)! I call it the gift of immaturity. I started in ‘94. So I’ve seen many crises. ‘94 was a bad year. ‘97 was the Asian financial crisis. In ‘99 I saw the tech bubble bursting. 2008 was the financial crisis. Then the 2011 Euro crisis. Now we’ve come here and in the midst of another bear market, and we are experiencing 30% falls, which is unprecedented in nature.

Ser Jing:
In terms of the speed, right?

Samuel:
Yeah, we’re at the very early stages of the unfolding of this bear market but it’s unprecedented in speed and that’s because of the nature of the external shock we are facing. We don’t really know how this goes.

Anyway, back to the introduction! I am in charge of the investment office. I strategize the overall investment framework, the investment philosophy, how we execute on that through the best products. So we’re completely product agnostic – we use whatever product is most suitable and cost efficient for our clients, whether it’s unit trusts or ETFs. We are an independent fee-only financial advisor. That’s the constraint that we have put upon ourselves because we don’t want to be paid by anybody else other than the client.

When you define yourself as a fee-only independent financial advisor, the products that are available to you are tremendous. We went with the best passive or passive-plus product, which was Vanguard and Dimensional Fund Advisors. Vanguard was a strategic partner. We were supposed to do work together, but they pulled out of Singapore a few months before we launched. So that was the story. We were excited to launch with Dimensional as it can only be made available through the IFA (independent financial advisory) channel. On the fixed income side we did not like any existing solutions and there were no decent passive products because of the small SGD fixed income market here so we chose the best manager which was PIMCO, which is very well known by institutional clients but not readily available to retail investors. 

Ser Jing:
Not even Dimensional for the bonds portion? Because I think MoneyOwl uses them.

Samuel:
They have a short duration and short fixed income product, which is not globally diversified. We want a globally diversified core fixed income product. Dimensional products are suited for what they’re supposed to do, which is short term or short duration and they have other great products that we are trying to bring in.

Ser Jing:
Close to a money market fund?

Samuel:
I think it’s exactly what it is. Short duration and ultra high quality, you know, AA, AAA, treasuries, and sovereigns. And so I think there’s not much credit, not much high yield or emerging markets. I don’t think there’s any, and the term is just really short duration, so short fixed income products. Not global or through the duration spectrum.

We talked to Dimensional about requirements for a core fixed income product and they introduced a fund for us – a global quality bond fund. Unfortunately, their track record is really short. They just launched it last year with a Singapore dollar share class and we are looking to bring that into our portfolio so we are excited about that. 

To be honest, in fixed income, active management is not as sinful as equities. Even in equities, I’ve been an active manager so I know that if you do it well you can do well. It’s just that for the average Singaporean investor, can you do it well? If you are a really long term investor, especially with your CPF money, can you do it well and with the transaction costs and limitations involved?

That’s the elephant in the room: Are there enough guys that are delivering consistent returns over the long run net of fees, for CPF and SRS/cash investment? I have outperformed for eight consecutive years as an active manager. I know it can be done. I’ve seen many people around me do it.

We talk about Warren Buffett, Soros, Julian Robertson, and all these guys. They’ll say it’s possible but net of fees, it is difficult. And most retail investors don’t have access. Last year the top five hedge fund managers in the world got paid over a billion. Four of them underperformed the index I think. This doesn’t make sense, this kind of concept. Warren Buffett is actually supportive of the strategy of just buying an index fund. Passive low cost works over the long term. So why fix something that’s not broken?

Endowus’s investment philosophy and how Endowus is different from the rest

Ser Jing:
All good! So next question: What is your investment philosophy like and has it evolved across the years?

Samuel:
Let’s talk about the Endowus investment philosophy. We are trying to build an investment product that is suitable for 90%-plus of Singapore’s population and suitable for investors’ CPF money, long term, for their retirement goals. That’s the primary raison d’etre. The reason for our existence is to solve this generational problem, the retirement pension shortfall. And if you try to do that in Singapore, you can’t do that without CPF cause it’s such a big piece. It’s 37% of your gross monthly income. We can invest that better for Singaporeans. What we want to do is find and build an investment that is suitable for that particular problem.

We want to build a core investment product suitable to everyone, where they can invest 90-100% of their wealth conveniently, securely and in a low cost manner. When I say core, I mean the product that will build upon your long term sustainable returns based on equities and bonds, equities being the riskier growth asset class, which gives you the long term returns. And bonds being your diversifier and stable returns over time.

People compare us with other robo advisors/online platforms and they say we’re active managers and they criticize us for it. I would say that asset allocation (across different asset classes) take precedence over fund choices. The asset allocation has to be strategic and passive. That’s our philosophy. The problem with a lot of robo guys here is that they’re active asset allocators. As an institutional investor, I know that asset allocation represents 80% to 90% of your returns historically depending on the period. You need a strategic long term passive asset allocation and these guys are doing active management based on their whitepapers with backtested numbers which are not real track records. Fundamentally our asset allocation investment philosophy diverges.

The second thing is that we are really focused on the advice piece. We’re not building a product ourselves like the other Robos. We have lots of product guys (fund managers) like Dimensional or Vanguard and so many thousands of managers out there building great products and they have scale. They have expertise and they can build up much better than us.

So for us, we don’t want to focus on the product. We’re not building a product, we’re not competing with any fund managers. So later on, if those (active allocation) guys do fantastically well, they can be on the Endowus platform and they can build it into a portfolio or offer it as a DIY solution. 

It has to be strategic asset allocation. And in the execution of that asset allocation, we find the best product and we are agnostic to the structure. It can be an ETF or mutual fund. It doesn’t matter. It’s still the same funds that Vanguard has, say the S&P 500 fund, and Irish domiciled so it is tax efficient. It is the same product. The ETF and the fund are largely the same and we choose the more cost efficient and provide SGD funds as investors should match their assets and liabilities to SGD which is the home currency without taking unnecessary FX risk.

So basically ETFs are just listed and mutual funds are not but they have the same open-ended structure, same fund and cost structure. So this misunderstanding in the market that ETFs are the only way to be low cost, passive, and indexed is wrong. You can be none of those things for ETFs.

An ETF can be actively managed, high cost, and not indexed. So it doesn’t matter that it’s an ETF. You have to look at the underlying fund, what you’re investing in, right? Is it indexed? Is it passive, is it low cost? That’s what we apply. And sometimes ETFs are more expensive than accessing the mutual fund and mutual funds at institutional rates.

As an institutional investor, I know there’s access to funds at a lower cost. If you are an institution you don’t pay all the fees that people talk about. So what Endowus is doing is saying that as an institution we can group-buy for you.

How Endowus chooses the best investment products for investors

Ser Jing:
Why do you choose the funds that you do and not some of the ETFs in the US?

Samuel:
Now one of the problems with the US ETF fund is US dollars. That’s a problem for Singapore investors. Finance 101 is you need to match your assets with liabilities, including your FOREX liability. You should not be taking needless FX transactions when you invest, especially if the FX transaction cost is high like it is in Singapore for a retail investor.

When you convert SGD to USD, taking a hit there in terms of cost and then investing in USD, being exposed to that, and then later on having to bring it back at whatever exchange rate you don’t know. Then you go to the US and you have withholding tax and other things like inheritance tax issues. Bid-ask spreads on certain ETFs, you know, are another 5-10 basis points, which means you lose some when you hit the offer to buy and then again when you hit the bid to sell. This compares to mutual funds that will always be bought and sold on the same NAV [net asset value] and so no spread and no transaction cost, whereas ETFs have brokerage and transaction costs.

So we looked at all these things and concluded that US ETFs are really expensive and are not competitive for non-US investors. SGX-listed ones are in USD too and have huge bid-ask spreads. So for me after assessing the situation and products, we decided to go with Dimensional and PIMCO for our cash products. And for CPF products, we got the first passive Vanguard funds in there. Two of them exclusive to Endowus clients. Being agnostic to products is really important for us to change products if we find better, more efficient products.

We sourced for the best products most suitable for Singaporeans that are tax-efficient. It’s in SGD or in the case of fixed income, it is hedged to the SGD. For example, we are the ones that actually brought in the Dimensional World Equity product into Singapore. They didn’t have a World Equity Fund here, they didn’t have an SGD fund. We seeded and funded it. Before, it wasn’t available.

We also went to PIMCO and said, “Look, you have a global emerging market fund, but there’s no institutional share class and it is not SGD-hedged. Launch it for us and we’ll seed it and we’ll bring it our platform. We want to give it to Singaporean investors” They gave us some conditions and we know we want to do whatever it takes to bring the best product that we ourselves want to invest in. Within three, four weeks it was done. We seeded the SGD-hedged, institutional share class ourselves, and made it available to our clients on our advised portfolios.

So those are the kinds of solutions that we bring to the table, which is very different from everybody else. This is very different from trying to copy the US Robo model, which is to just buy US ETFs, pick off the list, try to get a tax refund later. In our view, this model is very, very fin-light. We pride ourselves in not only being Deep Tech, but also Deep Fin.

Endowus’s bootstrapping and employee-ownership mindset

Ser Jing:
How did Endowus gain the necessary initial capital to work with PIMCO and Dimensional Fund Advisors to seed the funds?

Samuel:
Okay. So the company is partner-funded and employee-owned. So everybody who’s an employee has the opportunity to invest in the company and they do. All of the employees are shareholders and we don’t have any external shareholders now. No VCs or PEs. The partners put up the money to begin the company. Employees put money in too. And the last round that we did, we didn’t even have room for all advisors who want to invest because employees take precedence. That’s how we structured the company. Its called bootstrapping and we’re bootstrapping not only in reality but in terms of our culture as well. That’s how we like it.

Endowus’s partnership with fund managers to bring the best products for investors to investors

Samuel:
And when we go to fund management companies, there is a language most people don’t know how to speak but I do. Fund managers actually are in a tough spot today because passive is taking over active. It’s a hugely competitive space as well. Think about the number of fund managers out there. They’re not future-proofed or prepared for the future. But if you go to them and make a proposition of what Endowus is about, why our values are aligned. We tell them that we’re going to gather assets and then we’re going to put it into the best products like theirs. Their response is immediately “Great. We’d love to work with you. What do you need?” Because for them, we are a digital asset gatherer and we’re free.

But we’re not a Fundsupermart. We’re not just going to put it on the platform. We’re actually gonna screen and go and get the best funds and provide the best-in-class funds at the lowest cost achievable by working with the fund managers directly.

Protecting investors’ interests, and Endowus’s unique cost-rebates to investors

Ser Jing:
You also direct the money into specific funds and don’t charge a trailer fee.

Samuel:
Yes. I mean the trailer fee, the fund manager doesn’t get, we don’t get it, so in our business model everyone’s interest is completely aligned. It’s the distribution guys like the traditional banks and brokers and platforms like iFast who take all of that. It should go to the client but these distribution and platform guys are taking it and lining their pocket. And the fund managers have to pitch and sell to the banks and platforms and brokers – the traditional distribution channels. It’s precisely why Vanguard gave up and left Singapore as they don’t pay trailer fees and it was impossible to get distributed.

The worst problem though is that it is in the end, the investors who get screwed because the best-in-class funds are often under the radar or not available. Vanguard’s best low cost passive funds are not available to retail investors! So the best funds are funds who are not willing to pay high or any trailer fees. Dimensional and Vanguard by philosophy would never pay trailer fees. And we as a philosophy would never take any. Unlike the iFast, Dollardex, DBSs of the world.

Ser Jing:
And I think Dimensional recently struck a deal with Finexis Advisory.

Samuel:
Actually they supply to a bunch of FAs [financial advisors] offline. They have no problem. They just distribute through financial advisors and not directly to retail or through traditional channels. So they have their own model, which is unique.

Vanguard doesn’t do the FA model. Dimensional started and really grew through FAs in the US. It works here as well although it’s not a huge pool but it’s still decent. So Dimensional is slightly different from Vanguard and that’s why they didn’t pull out.

But good fund managers, in general, are very happy to work with us. They don’t want to pay trailer fees anyway. Especially if you are the best quality or best performing. And so it’s perfectly aligned. So we go to them, we speak their language, we tell them why and we tell them there’s nothing in it for us and they just give us the best funds. We partner strategically with all the major fund managers. We have a great relationship with everybody.

We don’t carry everybody’s product. We don’t carry Aberdeen, Standard Life. You know, we don’t carry Wellington, GMO, Pinebridge. All these guys reach out to me and we keep a good relationship because we are always searching for best-in-class products, the most suitable product for Singapore. We will also provide more funds in the future through new services that we have in plan. It will really help investors with better choice, better advice and better price too! 

If someone can come up with a better product, we’ll work with them. Amundi for example. We’re doing some work, looking for products – even on the ETF side as they are a leader in ETF cost. That’s the Endowus investment philosophy. Fund due-diligence, fund manager due-diligence, that’s like a lot of the work. We have to screen for the best funds. We have to creatively think about what product is best suited to represent. So if you do an asset allocation and you allocate to a different market, geographically, Global, DM [developed markets], EM [emerging markets], then you try to find the best fit and we don’t want to do specific things like China and Malaysia funds, but more like big blocks that make sense. And you bring it up to an asset allocation that is passive and strategic.

Endowus’s efforts to lower costs for investors

Jeremy:
Is there a criteria that you use to select funds? For instance do the funds you select have a maximum management fee?

Samuel:
So we target all-in fees of 1% or less including our own advice access fee. Our fees are fixed. So for cash, it is 60 basis points [0.60%] going down to 0.25% depending on how much you invest with us. For the CPF and SRS it’s 0.4%. We said from the get-go, “Look, this is retirement, this is helping people’s future and therefore let’s try to start at the lowest possible.” And also it was influenced by the fact that CPF had already announced that their wrap fees are going to go down to 40 basis points by October 2020 and it was at 70 basis points at the moment and 1% before. So we moved way ahead of the curve last year. They delayed that announcement, but we still went with 0.4%. You don’t know if they’re going to execute, but hopefully, they will. But even if they don’t, that’s fine. Then everybody can invest through Endowus!

So 40 basis points. We started with a flat 40 basic fee and we target only an additional 60 basis points total expense ratio for the portfolio. But we couldn’t get them for CPF. There weren’t enough products because CPF has to include the funds and you have to go through a consultant, Mercer, in the process. It takes at least like six, nine months to go through that. And strict definitions of three-year track record, first quartile performance, et cetera, and bonds, even more onerous. And so there are only like 80 funds left on the CPF list and we couldn’t build a very high quality globally diversified low-cost portfolio. So we fixed the low-cost part by thinking creatively again.

Would you believe CPF doesn’t have a single passive fund or global ETF you can access?

Ser Jing:
I did not realise that.

Samuel:
You can only access the Singapore local ETF. And so it’s STI [Straits Times Index] and ABF Singapore Bond ETF and that’s it. So you can’t build a globally diverse portfolio. How do we fix this?

So we went to Vanguard and met with the CEO Charles Lin at the time, and Gerard Lee the CEO of Lion Global. I asked them to help solve the retirement problem here in Singapore together. We gotta fix the CPF issues of high cost, lack of passive product,  and we can do it together. So they already have a product. Vanguard supplies and manages the Infinity Series S&P500 and global equities and so we worked together to get it into the CPF-IS included fund list.

The problem though was that the cost of that fund was too high. The headline expense ratio was like 80 basis points and which included a trailer fee and the distribution was charging a sales charge on top of like 1% or more. We felt that that was ridiculous. We wanted to get it cheaper. They initially offered a standard rebate but we needed to get lower to achieve the lowest cost for CPF members and long term investors. So we pushed them until they agreed to get to a really low number. So in the end Vanguard gave us access at 10bps [basis points] and Lion Global’s wrap went down to just 20bps. We are so grateful for their support. They’ve been very value-aligned and tried really hard to get there with us. So total all-in management and wrap were 30 basis points and including expense ratio, gets to closer to 40bps. Compared to the 80bps and 1% sales charge, it’s a meaningful difference to give people a better chance of succeeding in investing. They denominated it in SGD, locally registered, and also put into CPF-IS. And you can’t get that with even cash ETF access, you know? If you look at it from a total all-in cost angle, it’s certainly so much cheaper than US ETFs.

Ser Jing:
This is off the track but I am actually a little bit confused. Why would Lion Global’s wrap services be needed? There seems to be a more elegant solution where Vanguard could just supply it directly?

Samuel:
Well, first of all they pulled out of Singapore. So the plan was for them to do that. In order to do that they have to be qualified for two things. One is they have to be a locally registered licensed retail fund manager, RLFMC, right? So they have to be a registered licensed fund manager. Secondly, they have to be an approved fund manager on the CPF Investment Scheme. So that’s the second step and the third step is you have to get your fund onto the CPF approved list. So there’s three steps and the moment Vanguard pulls out, they can’t do that.

So Lion Global is locally registered as a retail licensed fund manager. They’re approved by CPF as a CPF Investment Scheme fund manager. And the only thing that was left was for them to put it (the Vanguard S&P 500 fund) onto the CPF system. Because they were no longer there, so we needed to put it back and then fix the cost issue. Also, the underlying Vanguard funds do not have an SGD fund. This is the only SGD fund available.

So there was a new guideline that was introduced by CPF Board just as the first passive fund went in that there will be a cap of 50 basis points. That’s the total expense ratio. We are hoping that the total expense ratio will be a single digit fee expense ratio, so our total expense ratio (including the fund management fee) will be 40 or below 50, all in.

So now it’s in, but it’s only allowed and falls below the 50bps guideline because Endowus introduced the industry-first of giving back 100% rebate of trailer fees. So technically the product is still 57.5, but we give 27.5 rebate to get to that 30 basis point management and 40 TER. So it’s well below 50 and a second passive fund that we just put in is the Global Equities fund. So the Vanguard Global Equities. Similarly 18 basis points that Vanguard takes, 20 for Lion Global, and expense ratio of single digit, so all in its less than 48bps TER. So again below 50. So we’re the only ones who can distribute these as the official TER is higher and no one else rebates 100% of the trailer. So that’s the elegant solution. We looked into getting the institutional ones in but we couldn’t. So we tried to still solve it intelligently by putting another product in at low cost.

So those are the things that we could do to improve the product. So those two funds are passive. They are the first two passive funds in CPF and it is part of our portfolio. The only way to access it (for your CPF) is through Endowus. It (the two index funds) makes up the bulk of the equities allocation, which brings down cost dramatically from what we had before and it’s also available for Cash and SRS if you want to at that lower cost too.

Jeremy:
So for the two indexed funds, your clients are paying a 0.9% total expense ratio?

Samuel:
No, the total expense ratio is a concept that exists at the fund level. So that TER is 0.4% and 0.48% for the two funds – below 0.5%. So we’ve included both funds into our globally diversified portfolio. The whole list of funds will be allocated based on your risk appetite. Whether its 100% equity or 60% equity and 40% bonds, or whatever, we will build our globally diversified portfolio. The portfolio fund level fees (the TERs I mention above) vary depending on the risk level you choose, but effectively your all in total cost of investing in Endowus is less than 1%. For CPF and SRS it’s 0.4% to Endowus for all of our advice and access. Then the fund level underlying fee is 50~60bps. Yeah. So especially if you consider the fact that if you try to build that yourself, like right now through iFAST, everything, it’s probably closer to 2%-3% because you have the platform fee and the trailer fee that they take.

Sheng Shi:
We are definitely the lowest cost platform. Even if you get through Fund Supermart, they charge a platform fee. I looked up the cost of buying the same Infinity fund on iFast and they charge 35bps of platform fees on top of the trailer fees they receive which should be at least 27.5bps. So they are getting 62.5bps of fees for just selling a Vanguard passive fund.

Endowus’s founding and how the founders built the team

Ser Jing:
So the next question is how did you and the rest of Endowus’s founding team meet? Tell us more about the conversations that led to Endowus.

Samuel:
It was a pretty simple story. Basically I left Morgan Stanley. I retired from the firm on the condition that I don’t join a competitor, completely retired. And then I took a year out. So it was a sabbatical for me and I worked 23 years straight without a break and Morgan Stanley was 17 years of that. Within Morgan Stanley, I moved a couple of times.

So I’m very unique in the sense that I moved within the same company and any large financial institution is about joining the same department and doing it for the rest of your life. Like investment banking, research, or whatever. I was lucky that Morgan Stanley gave me the opportunity to move around. Anyway after 17 years I left and took the sabbatical. I needed to restore relationships with my wife, my kids, friends, cause I was so busy doing CEO and CIO.

It’s a role that in asset management very rarely is taken together. And it was forced upon me because of circumstances. It was supposed to be a temporary gig, but in reality it ended up being four years. I enjoyed it as it was a new challenge and made me learn a lot more about being a CEO and running a business more holistically. I think it was fun at times but very challenging at the same time as there were a lot of changes from a regulatory perspective, and we had to beef up governance and oversight and risk management. We had to revamp the whole trading team and other changes that were needed. But it was too much and I finally was able to negotiate a very amicable exit.

During my sabbatical, I went to a theological seminary to study theology, especially workplace ministry and things like the biblical interpretation of money. I find these things fascinating and that was really, really fun. And then I took a Stanford NUS International Management course to learn cutting edge management and other skills and during this time I had set up a vehicle to invest in fintech companies, so I had multiple fintech investments across the region. I stopped doing that once I joined Endowus full-time. But my idea was that I wanted to disrupt the pieces of the financial services landscape through the application of technology and innovative new services. The focus was on the biggest pools of financial assets and potential business opportunities that were not being disrupted.

One was, well it was Wealth Tech. The other one is pieces of the investment banking business. So those two verticals are by definition very relationship driven and very old school. There’s not much innovation, there’s nothing new really happening. There’s no technology being applied. And so those two were the space. I thought wealth was like true to my heart. I have a passion for solving retirement issues. The pension problem is the single biggest generational challenge. It’s like a major problem, not only in Singapore but Korea and other major aging countries.

So I was driven by this mission and I looked at all the robo guys, including the ones in Singapore at the time. There were also four guys in Korea. Hong Kong, Taiwanese, Australia, etc. I actually didn’t want to invest in any of them. And the reason is simple: They’re all product guys. They all have fund management licenses and were building product but just using ETFs instead of underlying securities so you have double layer of fees and inefficient structures. And I wanted to focus more on the value added piece, which I felt was going to be the advice piece and especially retirement related.

That is the more value-added piece and I believe long-term, advice wins. So we need to build an advice company and there are a few guys in the US that were doing robo retirement – like Bloom and some of these guys. So I wanted to do something in that space, retirement and advice. And I was thinking about starting my own company. The biggest one in Korea actually offered me to build that in Asia Pacific. They wanted to back me and give me the freedom to own it and build it. But the values and the ways you were looking at their investments just were not aligned. They will try to build algorithms to outperform. Right? So it’s product again. That was when a friend who runs a VC fund introduced me to You Ning and he said, “Oh Sam, you’re doing fintech. I have a guy who is doing fintech, you guys should meet.” That was it.

So I met You Ning first and we have common connections. So we hit it off from the get go. We were excited that we were so similar in the way we were thinking about things and how it should be different from the simple roboadvisors out there. He had incorporated the company with Greg and started Endowus and had focused on the CPF piece which was the catch for me as CPF is about retirement – or should be.

You Ning’s background was at Goldman Sachs investment banking. He did private equity, was at a hedge fund for a little bit, and then he ran the family office of Mr. Kuok, the founder of Wilmar. But a lot of it was private investments, so he thought my public market background would be a great fit. And then Greg did fund structuring and distribution at UBS, for private equity and venture cap. He also began the payment service at Grab when it was Grabtaxi and only cash!

So they didn’t have that public market expertise, which was what they needed. They wanted to get a CIO, they wanted to get my advice or mentorship kind of thing. And it kind of all came together. So my thing was, “Do I just become an investor or become an entrepreneur and join full time?” And that’s when I thought this group makes a good fit for me to be the older balance and the investment person for the team. Greg, who’s done Grab and payments and who’s actually built product was focused on the COO role. So he’s the product guy. And then You Ning brings the type of market expertise and private markets knowledge but is also meticulous, so You Ning has the CFO role. And then I was a CIO. So functionally those were the three divisions and it was a great fit to build out the company in a robust way. And I really build the investment side of the business. Whether it’s partnerships with FMCs [fund management companies], due diligence on the funds themselves, and building out portfolios to express the strategic asset allocation. So we all had like very defined contributions, very defined roles. And it was a perfect fit and personality wise and we work really well together. So that’s how we came together.

Ser Jing:
Thanks for sharing that. Because when I was looking through the founding team, I was just thinking you have these two seemingly very experienced investors, so how do you decide who gets to do what?

Samuel:
The fourth important piece of the founding team was Sin Ting. So I met them at the end of ‘17 beginning of ‘18. And I officially joined in February of ‘18. Sin Ting joined just before me in November of ‘17. Sin Ting is the other partner – I guess, cofounder as well. We came together as a team and we were licensed in January of 2018 and we started managing money from April and launched our platform in August of 2018 and our retail launch was April 2019.

She has a private banking background. So she was at Morgan Stanley in private banking and then she worked in Nomura private banking. So the other piece is the wealth piece, right? So I’m institutional, we’re all institutional. COO, CIO, so Sin Ting is the Chief Client Officer with private banking experience. Sin Ting fits that bill. Client Facing, client interaction, what clients want, how they should be served. The client experience is very important.

Ser Jing:
So she has a lot of input on how the product should be for the client.

Samuel:
Yeah, she’s the client advocate. So she faces the client and runs the client team where we have 6 registered reps and then she gives feedback to the investment product and tech product and feeds into how the product should be structured.

Obviously, it’s a group thing. You get everybody’s contributions and now Sheng Shi is also on board. He is a rep and he is client-facing, but he also reaches out to the community and videos and blogs and he’s our personal finance lead. He does a lot of wonderful grassroots work in the community and interfaces and partners with CPF Board for example. 

Sin Ting leads the more high net worth kind of private banking. We have another person, Lean Sing who was from Citi Gold, so more mass-wealth kind of expertise. And he is great with our clients at the mass wealth all the way up to high net worth clients and really provides value-added advice to clients. He worked in finance and also went for a few years to study Theology and served at a church and came back to finance with us at Endowus as he believed in our values and vision. So we have really been very purposeful in building out the team and filling the gaps.

When you’re building a tech product, you can’t just build a financial services tech product. You’ve got to have deep financial services expertise. So the domain knowledge is very deep. You have to know the trade flows, you know exactly how things are executed, what investment products actually do, how they should be. How to find the best products. Think about tax, FX, and costs and things that others don’t know or don’t think about. So you need to rely on people who’ve had experience and are capable of doing that.We all have a wealth of knowledge and experience in the field that we are in and the clients that we are serving.

So our tech team is actually, it’s like the Avengers, it’s like guys who know finance, guys who know tech, and can build products. We don’t need superfluous stuff or a humongous team. We just need a dedicated team that has the expertise, like 10 people that can do it. Execute. That’s it. We built all the technology in-house and our team has really deep expertise and experience in building out our tech team. Our CTO Joo was at Goldman Sachs Asset Management and UBS and a few other financial firms building trading systems and complex tech platforms. He also built the backend of Stashaway. He has grown into an amazing CTO now leading the team for us. John and Jay, the front and back end leads, are amazing as is our Dev Ops CY. We brought in our Chief Product Officer from Silicon Valley – Jx Lye – amazing guy with great experience and will help take our product to the next level. So we are excited about our tech and product too.

Ser Jing:
So you have your own in-house software development.

Samuel:
Completely. Yeah. That’s why they are called the A team, the Avengers team and we are the B team, the business team. We are confident we have built the most cutting edge and flexible WealthTech platform in not just Singapore but all of Asia. It’s an amazing product.

Endowus’s greatest challenge

Ser Jing:
I’m mindful of time, I’m sorry. So maybe I’ll just ask two or three more questions. I think this one can be very important for individual investors in Singapore. What do you think is Endowus’s greatest challenge in trying to become a lasting investing institute for investors?

Samuel:
There’s a purpose for why we wanted to go in specifically with the goal of trying to to help solve retirement. Helping people secure their financial future, helping people to save and invest, to prepare for their life better. All those things, right? Grand phrases and captions but hollow words unless we can really help people’s lives in a meaningful way.

The most important thing is that I think clients need to buy into the idea of investing their CPF. And that’s a tough challenge. And the reason is that historically people have been told, your CPF is for this and this and it’s not just a retirement solution. It’s really a total social security system. And OA is always for housing, right? That’s what people instinctively think. OA is for housing. You have a retirement piece (retirement account). You have SA [Special Account], MediSave (medical cover) so it solves everything.

But the problem is that housing, I mean really as an investor, and I don’t know if you agree, but housing is probably a poor asset allocation to me at this point in time in this cycle. And equities have corrected 30% but housing has not even begun. So if you look at the opportunity for capital gains, if you look at the fact that it’s a low yielding asset class, and if you look at the fact that if you use your OA, especially for an HDB 99-year lease, it is not an efficient investment.

What you should do with your OA, because your SA is giving 4% to 5%, you should think of this piece as your bond allocation. And use your OA which is giving you just 2.5% (which by the way is not really guaranteed long term) and barely above inflation. Rather than using that for a house, you should really try to invest as much of it as your long term equities allocation. Build returns over the long run and build that for retirement. And it’s perfect for that purpose as it’s locked away and you cannot touch it for 20, 30, 40 years and you save regularly into it as a regular savings plan and it’s a meaningful enough chunk of it. The recent market correction is the right time to start thinking and using this. The problem has been that the costs have been too high and so outcomes have been poor or you get suckered into terrible ILP products. But now with Endowus you can get a globally diversified portfolio for the long term at really low cost which raises your chances of success.

The other reason is that your retirement adequacy is not enough. Even the enhanced retirement sum under CPF is not enough. It’s probably gonna be around $1,500 to $2,000 a month. So it’s just basically not enough to live in Singapore with the inflation rate that exists. So you need to do more and if your retirement account is not enough, your OA (ordinary account) is basically your backup plan, right? And so you need to build it up in a meaningful way. My friend Loo Cheng Chuan talks about 1M65 alot but together with his wife, he thinks if he uses Endowus and invests his OA then he can get to 4M65, that’s 4 million by the time he is 65, which is amazing. That’s the power of investing your CPF.

But the problem is no one knows of this fact and it takes time to change long-held beliefs. That’s the education piece and that’s the biggest challenge that we face. We do a lot of financial literacy and education, and hold events and webinars, but it takes time. And the incumbent banks and platforms are not helping much. Even if we fail, if we can change the way these guys run their business so they lower fees and improve access to individual investors and provide better advice because of the competition we bring then we would have done our job. We are David and they are Goliath in this fight.

But we know it is the right thing. We’re up for the challenge and we’ll do it, but it’s a long haul and it’s going to be a tough ask and it’s going to take a long time. But we’re fine. Time is on our side and we’re patient entrepreneurs, so we’ll keep at it because we know we’re doing the right thing. 

Ser Jing:
Fantastic! I guess this is a really good point to end the conversation. Thank you for your time.


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